Give an option to make the computer screen black to nvda

[fernando-jose-silva]

This call has already appeared here.
Sorry I could not find the previous call, maybe because of my bad english.
What's new is that this feature was announced in the December update of jaws 2018, so I believe this is technically possible.
My request would be for some nv acces specialist to study and see the feasibility of giving nvda this feature.

[ehollig]

This is a duplicate of #5856. On the Enhancements and Improvements in JAWS 2018 page, it does say something about Screen Shade. Leaving this open in case @michaelDCurran or @jcsteh may have any ideas or know if Microsoft has changed something.

[jcsteh]

It's worth noting this statement from that page: " Screen Shade is strictly a privacy feature and will not increase the battery life on a laptop or tablet." When I was originally researching this, turning off the screen to save power was a requirement. I didn't consider any options purely for privacy. I still believe that turning off the screen is not possible.

[Adriani90]

I am a bit struggling with this function due to following reasons:

1. There are lots of other possibilities to turn off the screen in windows
2. It could be a trigger for compliance conflicts especially in professional fields where you are not allowed to use software which can influence screen properties such as layout, brightness or visibility (multi screen work places where you work in a team)
3. Would it cause issues when using remote desktop or Citrix?

And in fact, sighted people don't use such functions to hide what they are doing. If you want data privacy, you could change the screen orientation and turn the brightness on 0. In case you use a laptop and you have a bluetooth keyboard you can change your power settings so that the full functionality is being maintained even when the lid is closed.

[Adriani90]

I think NVDA should maintain and improve its function as a screen reader and not as a data privacy tool.

[fernando-jose-silva]

I believe that this function can only be done for private purposes.
Logically this functionality in nvda could be disabled and rehabilitated to the user's liking.
I understand that windows already provides resources for this functionality, however it is laborious, especially when you want to have this privacy feature quickly, when for example you are entering banking data on a web page.
It is relevant to have this functionality because as a visual deficient I am not sure of who is close to me, and may be looking at my screen mainly in public places.
This is a feature that is being appraised and implemented by many screen readers like jaws now, in voice over for iphone, and if I am not mistaken the screen readers for android too, talkback and shine plus. In Brazil I also believe that there may be in other countries, when a visually impaired person is using the ATM the box makes the screen black too.
I am a frequent user of this feature on iphone especially when I am reading my information as bank account stratum in public spaces.
This functionality in the computer would give me much more confidence, to use my computer without fear in public spaces, another example is when reading a little, inside the workspace itself, I already had a situation where I was reading my pamper, and suddenly a his own co-worker made a comment about the values, this either he was reading quietly and he did not persuade that this personal and sensible information was being collected by a person who has a minimum relationship.

Finally, we must also think, I live in Brazil, which is a recognized place, even in the outskirts, as a place not very safe, here scams are common in people without disabilities, imagination about people with disabilities.

[Adriani90]

Ok I get your Point. I think the Screen shadowing function in NVDA could indeed make sense especially for touch screen devices. But it should be implemented in such a way that the user can not shadow the Screen accidentally by pressing an easy key stroke or so. This could cause confusions in professional situations. I think an Addon for this would be a better solution.

[Brian1Gaff]

I don't get it myself. Are we merely talking privacy or saving the battery etc? It would need, I guess some hack to do what windows does when it is left on a laptop, i.e. turn off the screen, but normally such things are debatable as to whether in fact they do extend battery life like on some mobiles. Just have the whole thing go into standby or even go off completely if you are not going to be there for a while its not a good idea in any case to have a laptop around powered up and logged in in any area where people you do not know are around, is it?

[jcsteh]

The validity of this feature is not under question. However, while it appears it is possible to black the screen (as JAWS does this), it is simply not possible to implement this in Windows such that it saves power. So, this would be privacy only, and thus can't be fully compared with similar features on iOS and Android. If you really want the power saving aspect of this, I suggest you file feedback with Microsoft.

[Brian1Gaff]

I don't think its going to be possible even then, given the different hardware in use over the various motherboards etc. Brian

[bhavyashah]

I think additional privacy is the primary motivation for this feature request and not power-saving. The latter would anyways just have been a brownie and not in the actual scope of a screen reader even if it were possible to incorporate.

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[dineshkaushal]

I also think it is an important feature specially when we are in a public setting and dealing with sensitive information such as bank / credit card details. I never thought that it would save battery in iPhone so will check now. One command with a few keystrokes is certainly better than doing alt tab and opening various windows. From: bhavyashah [mailto:notifications@github.com] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 7:39 AM To: nvaccess/nvda <nvda@noreply.github.com> Cc: Subscribed <subscribed@noreply.github.com> Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Give an option to make the computer screen black to nvda (#7857) I think additional privacy is the primary motivation for this feature request and not power-saving. The latter would anyways just have been a brownie and not in the actual scope of a screen reader even if it were possible to incorporate.

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[Adriani90]

I think an addon for this would be better. Von meinem iPhone gesendet

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Am 16.12.2017 um 03:27 schrieb dineshkaushal ***@***.***>: I also think it is an important feature specially when we are in a public setting and dealing with sensitive information such as bank / credit card details. I never thought that it would save battery in iPhone so will check now. One command with a few keystrokes is certainly better than doing alt tab and opening various windows. From: bhavyashah ***@***.*** Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 7:39 AM To: nvaccess/nvda ***@***.***> Cc: Subscribed ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Give an option to make the computer screen black to nvda (#7857) I think additional privacy is the primary motivation for this feature request and not power-saving. The latter would anyways just have been a brownie and not in the actual scope of a screen reader even if it were possible to incorporate. On 12/15/17, Brian Gaff ***@***.*** ***@***.***> > wrote: > I don't think its going to be possible even then, given the different > hardware in use over the various motherboards etc. > Brian > > > > -- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: > #7857 (comment) -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ Contacting Me E-mail Address: ***@***.*** ***@***.***> Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 <http://www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125> Mobile Number: +91 7506221750 — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#7857 (comment)> , or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AE08v4wnF8YMZY4ZKDV3E0Mj59mHaD2Lks5tAyYigaJpZM4RBEs1> . <https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AE08vzJxgD3jATrrcnergEam-hzCXfHBks5tAyYigaJpZM4RBEs1.gif> — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.

[nunahosting]

I am sorry I disagree with using an addon. What about the people who use this at work and are not allowed to download and install addons due to the way the networks are setup. I think this should be a part of NVDA. If not your just leaving some people not allowed to use it. From: Adriani90 [mailto:notifications@github.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:35 PM To: nvaccess/nvda <nvda@noreply.github.com> Cc: Subscribed <subscribed@noreply.github.com> Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Give an option to make the computer screen black to nvda (#7857) I think an addon for this would be better. Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 16.12.2017 um 03:27 schrieb dineshkaushal ***@***.***>: I also think it is an important feature specially when we are in a public setting and dealing with sensitive information such as bank / credit card details. I never thought that it would save battery in iPhone so will check now. One command with a few keystrokes is certainly better than doing alt tab and opening various windows. From: bhavyashah ***@***.*** Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 7:39 AM To: nvaccess/nvda ***@***.***> Cc: Subscribed ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Give an option to make the computer screen black to nvda (#7857) I think additional privacy is the primary motivation for this feature request and not power-saving. The latter would anyways just have been a brownie and not in the actual scope of a screen reader even if it were possible to incorporate. On 12/15/17, Brian Gaff ***@***.*** ***@***.***> > wrote: > I don't think its going to be possible even then, given the different > hardware in use over the various motherboards etc. > Brian > > > > -- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: > #7857 (comment) -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ Contacting Me E-mail Address: ***@***.*** ***@***.***> Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 <http://www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125> Mobile Number: +91 7506221750 — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#7857 (comment)> , or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AE08v4wnF8YMZY4ZKDV3E0Mj59mHaD2Lks5tAyYigaJpZM4RBEs1> . <https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AE08vzJxgD3jATrrcnergEam-hzCXfHBks5tAyYigaJpZM4RBEs1.gif> — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.

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[Adriani90]

If you are not allowed to install addons then the security policy is quite strong and most probably you are not allowed to run a programm which can turn off the screen by its core. Von meinem iPhone gesendet

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Am 17.12.2017 um 16:51 schrieb nunahosting ***@***.***>: I am sorry I disagree with using an addon. What about the people who use this at work and are not allowed to download and install addons due to the way the networks are setup. I think this should be a part of NVDA. If not your just leaving some people not allowed to use it. From: Adriani90 ***@***.*** Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:35 PM To: nvaccess/nvda ***@***.***> Cc: Subscribed ***@***.***> Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Give an option to make the computer screen black to nvda (#7857) I think an addon for this would be better. Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 16.12.2017 um 03:27 schrieb dineshkaushal ***@***.***>: > > I also think it is an important feature specially when we are in a public setting and dealing with sensitive information such as bank / credit card details. > > > > I never thought that it would save battery in iPhone so will check now. > > > > One command with a few keystrokes is certainly better than doing alt tab and opening various windows. > > > > From: bhavyashah ***@***.*** > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 7:39 AM > To: nvaccess/nvda ***@***.***> > Cc: Subscribed ***@***.***> > Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Give an option to make the computer screen black to nvda (#7857) > > > > I think additional privacy is the primary motivation for this feature > request and not power-saving. The latter would anyways just have been > a brownie and not in the actual scope of a screen reader even if it > were possible to incorporate. > > On 12/15/17, Brian Gaff ***@***.*** ***@***.***> > wrote: > > I don't think its going to be possible even then, given the different > > hardware in use over the various motherboards etc. > > Brian > > > > > > > > -- > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > > Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: > > #7857 (comment) > > > -- > Best Regards > Bhavya Shah > > Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ > > Contacting Me > E-mail Address: ***@***.*** ***@***.***> > Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 <http://www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125> > Mobile Number: +91 7506221750 > > > > — > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#7857 (comment)> , or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AE08v4wnF8YMZY4ZKDV3E0Mj59mHaD2Lks5tAyYigaJpZM4RBEs1> . <https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AE08vzJxgD3jATrrcnergEam-hzCXfHBks5tAyYigaJpZM4RBEs1.gif> > > — > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. > — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#7857 (comment)> , or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AX8U6mT2eYiOZCfprQQ4X9_SFpUGyp1Nks5tAyxZgaJpZM4RBEs1> . — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.

[bhavyashah]

What are the justifications for excluding screen dimming from the core, particularly since all major screen readers on several platforms that I know of, notably Voiceover, Talkback and JAWS boast this functionality in-built? Whenever one make a proposal, especially when it diverges from the views of the majority, one should strive to be crystal-clear in supporting that divorcing opinion with compelling arguments rather than requiring others to request the same.

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On 12/17/17, Adriani90 ***@***.***> wrote: If you are not allowed to install addons then the security policy is quite strong and most probably you are not allowed to run a programm which can turn off the screen by its core. Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 17.12.2017 um 16:51 schrieb nunahosting ***@***.***>: > > I am sorry I disagree with using an addon. What about the people who use > this at work and are not allowed to download and install addons due to the > way the networks are setup. I think this should be a part of NVDA. If not > your just leaving some people not allowed to use it. > > > > From: Adriani90 ***@***.*** > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:35 PM > To: nvaccess/nvda ***@***.***> > Cc: Subscribed ***@***.***> > Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Give an option to make the computer screen > black to nvda (#7857) > > > > I think an addon for this would be better. > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > > Am 16.12.2017 um 03:27 schrieb dineshkaushal > > ***@***.***>: > > > > I also think it is an important feature specially when we are in a > > public setting and dealing with sensitive information such as bank / > > credit card details. > > > > > > > > I never thought that it would save battery in iPhone so will check now. > > > > > > > > One command with a few keystrokes is certainly better than doing alt tab > > and opening various windows. > > > > > > > > From: bhavyashah ***@***.*** > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 7:39 AM > > To: nvaccess/nvda ***@***.***> > > Cc: Subscribed ***@***.***> > > Subject: Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Give an option to make the computer screen > > black to nvda (#7857) > > > > > > > > I think additional privacy is the primary motivation for this feature > > request and not power-saving. The latter would anyways just have been > > a brownie and not in the actual scope of a screen reader even if it > > were possible to incorporate. > > > > On 12/15/17, Brian Gaff ***@***.*** > > ***@***.***> > wrote: > > > I don't think its going to be possible even then, given the different > > > hardware in use over the various motherboards etc. > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > > > Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: > > > #7857 (comment) > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards > > Bhavya Shah > > > > Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ > > > > Contacting Me > > E-mail Address: ***@***.*** > > ***@***.***> > > Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 > > <http://www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125> > > Mobile Number: +91 7506221750 > > > > > > > > — > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > <#7857 (comment)> , > > or mute the thread > > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AE08v4wnF8YMZY4ZKDV3E0Mj59mHaD2Lks5tAyYigaJpZM4RBEs1> > > . > > <https://github.com/notifications/beacon/AE08vzJxgD3jATrrcnergEam-hzCXfHBks5tAyYigaJpZM4RBEs1.gif> > > > > > > — > > You are receiving this because you commented. > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. > > > > > > — > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#7857 (comment)> , or > mute the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AX8U6mT2eYiOZCfprQQ4X9_SFpUGyp1Nks5tAyxZgaJpZM4RBEs1> > . > > — > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. > -- You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: #7857 (comment)

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