Consolidation of Post-V2 Glyph Correction Suggestions

[kenlunde]

For issues related to HKSCS-2016 and Hong Kong in general, please be sure to reference 香港電腦漢字參考字形 before posting an issue here.

The following table shows the glyphs that will be corrected in the next update, and unless otherwise noted, the corrections are from my own notes:

Character	Glyph Name	Description
U+50E7 僧	uni50E7-HK	Adjust the lower-right component so that its middle horizontal stroke does not touch the right-most vertical stroke
U+89E6 触	uni89E6-CN	the vertical stroke of the 虫 component has uneven weight near the bottom, which appears only in the Light, Normal, and Regular weights
U+8FD0 运	uni8FD0-CN	The lower-left corner of the 云 component has a join error (a small gap)
U+9EA4 麤	uni9EA4-JP	The ExtraLight master needs to be adjusted so that the top-most vertical stroke does not penetrate the horizontal stroke below.
U+25C4A 𥱊	u25C4A-HK	Add the missing stroke to the top of the bottom component (see Issue #243)

The following table shows the glyphs that were corrected in the Version 2.001 update, and unless otherwise noted, the corrections are from my own notes:

Character	Glyph Name	Description
U+3C54 㱔	uni3C54-HK	Modify the 匕 component per HK conventions
U+3D75 㵵	uni3D75-HK	Modify the final stroke of the lower-right 人 component to curve inward
U+451D 䔝	uni451D-HK	Modify the 匕 component per HK conventions
U+4894 䢔	uni4894-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+48AE 䢮	uni48AE-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+48B0 䢰	uni48B0-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+4E31 丱	uni4E31-CN	Modify the first stroke so that it has no foot
U+56F9 囹	uni56F9-TW	Modify the final stroke of the 人 component to curve outward
U+585F 塟	uni585F-HK	Modify the 匕 component per HK conventions
U+58BA 墺	uni58BA-TW	Add a hook to the lower-right of the 冂 component (see Issue #212)
U+5BE9 審	uni5BE9-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
U+5DB4 嶴	uni5DB4-TW	Add a hook to the lower-right of the 冂 component (see Issue #212)
U+611F 感	uni611F-TW	Modify the 咸 component so that the horizontal stroke above 口 does not touch the vertical stroke to its left (see Issue #213)
U+64AD 播	uni64AD-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
U+64D9 擙	uni64D9-TW	Add a hook to the lower-right of the 冂 component (see Issue #212)
U+65DB 旛	uni65DB-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
U+66AD 暭	uni66AD-CN	Modify the four short diagonal strokes of the 臯 component so that they do not touch
U+68B5 梵	uni68B5-TW	Modify the final stroke of the upper-right 木 component to curve outward
U+6A4E 橎	uni6A4E-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
U+6F58 潘	uni6F58-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
U+6F5C 潜	uni6F5C-HK	Change the 日 component to 曰
U+6FB8 澸	uni6FB8-TW	Modify the 咸 component so that the horizontal stroke above 口 does not touch the vertical stroke to its left (see Issue #213)
U+700B 瀋	uni700B-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
U+7131 焱	uni7131-TW	Modify the final stroke of the top 火 component to curve outward
U+720B 爋	uni720B-CN	Modify the center vertical stroke so that it is thinner only within the box-like element (more obvious at heavier weights)
U+72C5 狅	uni72C5-TW	Modify the upper-right horizontal stroke to be slightly diagonal (see Issue #215)
U+74A0 璠	uni74A0-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
uni74F5-TW 瓵	uni74F5-TW	Modify the lower-left corner of the 瓦 so that it conforms to TW conventions
U+76A4 皤	uni76A4-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
U+7FFA 翺	uni7FFA-CN	Modify the four short diagonal strokes of the 臯 component so that they do not touch
U+7FFB 翻	uni7FFB-TW	Modify the 番 component so that the 釆 and 田 subcomponents do not touch (see Issue #214)
U+8FCD 迍	uni8FCD-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FDA 迚	uni8FDA-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FE0 迠	uni8FE0-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FE2 迢	uni8FE2-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FE6 迦	uni8FE6-JP, uni8FE6-CN & uni8FE6-JP90-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FE8 迨	uni8FE8-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FEA 迪	uni8FEA-JP &uni8FEAuE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FEB 迫	uni8FEBuE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FF4 迴	uni8FF4-JP & uni8FF4-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FFA 迺	uni8FFA-JP & uni8FFAuE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+8FFD 追	uni8FFD-JP & uni8FFDuE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9002 适	uni9002-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9005 逅	uni9005-JP & uni9005-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9006 逆	uni9006-JP & uni9006uE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+900C 逌	uni900C-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+900E 逎	uni900E-JP & uni900EuE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9019 這	uni9019-JP & uni9019-JP90-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9020 造	uni9020uE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9025 逥	uni9025-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9027 逧	uni9027-JP & uni9027-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+902A 逪	uni902A-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+902D 逭	uni902D-JP & uni902D-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9032 進	uni9032-CN & uni9032uE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+903C 逼	uni903C-JP & uni903C-JP90-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9041 遁	uni9041-JP, uni9041-JP90-JP & uni9041uE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9052 遒	uni9052-JP & uni9052uE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9053 道	uni9053-JP & uni9053uE0101-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+905B 遛	uni905B-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9061 遡	uni9061-JP & uni9061-JP90-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9065 遥	uni9065-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9089 邉	uni9089-CN	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+9139 鄹	uni9139-TW	Modify the final stroke of the right-most 人 component to curve outward
U+9EF9 黹	uni9EF9-CN	Revert to pre-V2 glyph; and add HK mapping override for U+2FCB ⿋
U+9F28 鼨	uni9F28-TW	Modify the final stroke of the upper-right component to curve outward
U+9FE9 鿩	uni9FE9-CN	Change the upper-left component to be 魚
U+FA11 﨑	uniFA11-CN	Adjust the 山 component to conform to CN conventions
U+FE15 ︕	uniFE15	Make the dot smaller (see Noto CJK Issue #91)
U+FE16 ︖	uniFE16	Compatibilize the dot of the ExtraLight and Heavy masters; and make the dot smaller (see Noto CJK Issue #91)
U+FF01 ！	uniFF01 & uniFF01-CN	Make the dot smaller (see Noto CJK Issue #91)
U+FF1F ？	uniFF1F & uniFF1F-CN	Compatibilize the dot of the ExtraLight and Heavy masters; and make the dot smaller (see Noto CJK Issue #91)
U+1F250 🉐	u1F250-JP	The upper-right component of the Heavy glyph is missing two subpaths
U+202B7 𠊷	u202B7-HK	Change the 攵 component to 夂
U+20C41 𠱁	u20C41-HK	The final stroke of the 水 component should curve inward
U+212FE 𡋾	u212FE-HK	The upper-left component should be 𠮠 (⿱口⿰丿𠃌)
U+21376 𡍶	u21376-HK	Change the 攵 component to 夂
U+235CE 𣗎	u235CE-HK	Fix the connection of the 入 component
U+236BA 𣚺	u236BA-HK	Change the left component to 未
U+27C12 𧰒	u27C12-HK	The upper-left component should be 士
U+28455 𨑕	u28455-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+2856B 𨕫	u2856B-JP	Remove the "feet" from the bottom of the box-like element
U+29B0E 𩬎	u29B0E-HK	The top stroke of the bottom component should be horizontal

[tamcy]

U+4EFD 份 - HK should use CN version, currently mapped to TW.

[lapomme]

Perhaps 首's feet in the KR 道 glyph should be removed for consistency? (Like how the KR 造 glyph was corrected in the 2.000 update.)

[kenlunde]

@tamcy Nice catch. Now reflected in Issues #202.
@lapomme Now reflected in the table above.

[CoolMarvel43]

Perhaps 首's feet in the KR 道 glyph should be removed for consistency? (Like how the KR 造 glyph was corrected in the 2.000 update.)

Also these hidden Kangxi-style glyphs. For this image, glyph 62875 as seen on Font Book on the Mac. So it should be uni9020uE0101-JP. Only the 口 feet, not 吿 (where the central vertical stroke goes over) as a whole, don't confuse this hidden glyph with the public KR version which has 告 (the central vertical stroke does not go over) and has no feet on 口.

So overall, maybe fix 62853 (uni8FEAuE0101-JP), 62854 (uni8FEBuE0101-JP), 62861 (uni8FFDuE0101-JP), 62867 (uni900EuE0101-JP), 62882 (uni9041uE0101-JP), 62891 (uni9052uE0101-JP) and 62892 (uni9053uE0101-JP, already mentioned), which have feet. Decide if you want more consistency to those hidden glyphs, some of them used as KR mappings.

Font Book only gave me glyph numbers (in the Repertoire section, hover and you see the glyph numbers, they are in order), but I checked the glyph numbers against the mapping file, for example, 造, which is correct on my end, so should be correct for everything else.

[lapomme]

There are many characters with "feet" remaining in the KR glyph where they are absent in the other versions, a few of them are: 迫、追、逭 (feet in CN glyph as well)、适、迪、這

It seems that the different versions are rather inconsistent with the "feet" in characters with the 辶 radical (I don't know if this is an intended design difference or not.)
In order of which discards the feet the most: TW/HK > CN > JP > KR.
E.g. for 逅 the feet is retained in all but TW/HK.

[CNMan]

9FE9 for CN should be 魚

9FA9 and 9FCA for CN should be 艹

9FB3 for CN should be 八

ref http://www.gb688.cn/bzgk/gb/newGbInfo?hcno=BCBF3BC7DCED3629F5E41CE02D9CFD55 page 112

[kenlunde]

@CNMan For U+9FE9, I would claim that Unicode's representative glyph should also be corrected, especially when checking the original proposal (L2/13-009). In particular, see the kaishu form on page 5 (page 6 of the PDF) that is ⿰魯爾.

For U+9FA9 龩, U+9FB3 龳, and U+9FCA 鿊, no action is necessary, because these are single-source (HK) ideographs. Although no action is necessary for a similar reason, you missed U+9FEA (KR). And yes, I am fully aware that some single-source ideographs have multiple region-specific glyphs. When push comes to shove, which was necessary for the Version 2.000 update, such glyphs are removed in order to make room for higher-priority glyphs.

Also, I'd like to point out that following standards such as GB/T 22321.1-2018 is not within the scope of the Source Han projects. I think of such standards as attempts to hammer square pegs into round holes, meaning that regional conventions are applied to ideographs that are not actually used in that particular region. It would be nice to do, but when dealing with a glyph set that is already full, practicality becomes necessary.

[pan-asian-wok]

For Source Han Sans Hong Kong, I noticed that the 胡 part of 鬍 is not consistent with other characters that have a 胡 component.

Here is an example of the difference between the 胡 part of 鬍 when contrasted with 胡 as a standalone character as well as other characters with a 胡 component:

In addition, it seems that the 鬍 character in Hong Kong's version of Source Han Sans may not conform with the "standard" found in 香港小學學習字詞表. I have attached a picture of the character 鬍 based on the online version of 香港小學學習字詞表 here:

Finally... on this Thanksgiving Day in the USA, I wanted to take a moment and thank @kenlunde and everyone involved in the creation of Source Han Sans and Source Han Serif for bringing these fonts to life for the community!

[kenlunde]

@pan-asian-wok Thank you, and you're welcome. Adding a new HK glyph for U+9B0D 鬍, uni9B0D-HK, is now noted in Issue #206.

BTW, I am using 香港電腦漢字參考字形 as the reference for HK glyphs. Its scope is the same as for the Source Han typefaces, specifically Big Five plus HKSCS-2016. The scope of 香港小學學習字詞表 is far more limited. In fact, I found an error in the former during Source Han Sans Version 2.000 development that I reported, which has been corrected, and is noted on its last page (page 1014).

[Buernia]

For Source Han Sans Hong Kong, I think the 系 of 遜 should have a hook.

Reference: 香港電腦漢字參考字形

And I think the 山 part of CN glyph for 﨑 should be unified.

The size of dot in fullwidth ？ and ！ also should be unified.