L&F WG Notes 2025-05-21

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Attendees:

• Noah Betzen
• George Madi
• Lee Barney
• Zach Daniel
• Peter Clark

Agenda:

• Meeting invite / calendar logistics
  • Gmail?
  • Fastmail?
    • Share ICS url on page similar to https://erlef.org/wg/security/calendar ?
  • Google docs?
  • Link?
  • OpenRiak: Slack “notes” feature directly
    • Pin previous one
  • Security: An agenda is put into Slack before each meeting
  • Also pin Zoom link in Slack
    • Post again in channel before each meeting with @here?
• Recap purpose of group
  • https://erlef.org/wg/libs-and-frameworks
  • https://github.com/erlef/libs-and-frameworks
  • Revise “(if Build and Packaging want to move this here, we could also take this over) Improve the user experience in generating and accessing documentation from the shell, IDEs, web pages, and more.”
    • “Support and resources and tools for writing better documentation”
    • Avoid general “how to write better” advice
    • Focus on making documentation more approachable for library authors
      • Mix tasks, CI tasks
  • “Build a shared knowledge base of the issues that library and framework authors face today and how they overcome them.”
    • Send out one-time initial survey/form for library authors about major pain points; help focus WG’s mission instead of what we assume
      • Where?
        • Website? Blog post? Slack? Socials (all 8 billion of them)?
        • Marketing WG is taking care of a lot of this too
          • Currently, only one person
          • “Grapevine” suggests Marketing will be getting more resources, TBD
    • Ongoing submission process for WG-specific improvement ideas or pain points
      • Do other WG’s do this?
        • OpenRiak; can open discussion thread on GitHub.
        • Push https://github.com/erlef/libs-and-frameworks/discussions ?
          • Add recurring agenda item to go over “new discussion items” since last time
      • Clarify language/focus:
        • “Join the foundation, hop in the chats/calls, join the conversation” vs “higher-level anonymous industry/every-day person’s feedback”
  • Idea: example libraries/frameworks for library authors seeking to start out
    • Potential mix/CI tasks to ease burden
    • Good example template library
      • Something specific? Generic? HelloWorld? TodoMVC?
    • Callout: https://elixir-observer.com/
      • Example: https://elixir-observer.com/packages/oidcc
    • Curation page / “a la carte” package builder UI?
      • https://phx.new/
      • https://ash-hq.org/#get-started
      • “Their language” instead of “generic everything”
    • Hex is working on filtering by language or packaging tool (which is close)
• Figure out plan for recurring future meeting (monthly?)
  • Another poll?
    • Probably not necessary
  • Zoom: change it from being “open” to being specific to the date/time
    • Prevent Zoom bombing (which probably isn’t an issue anymore)
  • OpenRiak for example does first Wednesday of each month
  • Security does something similar to OpenRiak
  • Continue with “third Wednesday of every month” unless we hear lots of pain
• What do we want to accomplish by next meeting?
  • Summarize these notes, summary post, share it out
  • #ShipIt